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    Another HDRI question.

    Hi there !

    First of all sorry if this type of question is already been asked before.I've searched a lot on the forum but couldn't find it Click here to enlarge

    I am planning to do a exterior shot using HDRI . My problem is that i can't get clear preview of HDRI upon rendering .Here it is what i am facing --

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    As you can see , the background is looking very blurred despite the HDRI is of 6248X3124 Pixel.
    Using backplates might solve the problem but not everyone provides backplates ? right ? I wonder how they http://forum.cg-cars.com/gallery/sho...php?i=2838&c=2 and http://forum.cg-cars.com/gallery/sho...php?i=2837&c=2 archive such types of result using only a HDRI ?
    Any help would be appreciated.
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    Stryk3r from 3dm3 ?
    Where did you get the information that he used reflection HDRI as background aswell ? He got clear reflection on the body while the background is blurry (DOF) -> Backplate isn't HDRI. Well, or he added the DOF in Photoshop. Also it doesn't make sense (atleast to me) to use HDRI as backplate, cause it just streches the whole environment.
    Plus if you look at the Mazda render, he got something underneath the car, some geometry which simulates the sand.

    You could render with different passes and composite your background in PS.

    cheers,
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    Naah..I am not from 3dm3.
    Thanks for your answer . However, i am not fully convinced yet.
    First, i pm-ed the author who made the following artworks http://www.evermotion.org/vbulletin/...ad.php?t=73335
    He clearly said that he used HDRIs from Dosch HDRI .Dosch doesn't provide any backplates . Not definitely the corresponding backplate of HDRI he is using.So, all is done using HDRI only.
    Maybe he used Matte/shadow plane to reflect the env. Not sure, but sand part is not 3d.
    I know to render in different passes but when i composite the background in photoshop it will not match the reflections as my HDRI and background will be different .
    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by exidge Click here to enlarge
    Stryk3r from 3dm3 ?
    Where did you get the information that he used reflection HDRI as background aswell ? He got clear reflection on the body while the background is blurry (DOF) -> Backplate isn't HDRI. Well, or he added the DOF in Photoshop. Also it doesn't make sense (atleast to me) to use HDRI as backplate, cause it just streches the whole environment.
    Plus if you look at the Mazda render, he got something underneath the car, some geometry which simulates the sand.

    You could render with different passes and composite your background in PS.

    cheers,
    exidge


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    Maybe he used Matte/shadow plane to reflect the env. Not sure, but sand part is not 3d.
    I know to render in different passes but when i composite the background in photoshop it will not match the reflections as my HDRI and background will be different .
    Dosch uses atm HDRIs with resolution of 12k x 6k and the new ones are with backplates. And if the ground isn't 3D then, he did some photoshop touch for the tires which sink into the sand. Well and even if it's without backplate, there are possibilities to do following:

    - rendering the HDRI through viewport (maybe the res is enough here) edit in PS and use as backplate

    - render alpha map and composite in PS by loading the HDRI itself as background and match it. I also don't think that those match 100%, there will be some variety but doesn't have to be.

    - you could use some extreme sharp filter for the HDRI and use it. But I don't think that it would help in max.

    cheers,
    exidge


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    as far as i can see the ground and stonewall around it is modeled.

    /s


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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by SeSim Click here to enlarge
    as far as i can see the ground and stonewall around it is modeled.

    /s
    Hah, ye I wondered why I couldn't find a HDRI from dosch with the same ground.

    That would clear following:
    Plus if you look at the Mazda render, he got something underneath the car, some geometry which simulates the sand.
    ->
    but sand part is not 3d.

    But it's a nice idea! The geometry of the stones around looks really impressive!


    Maybe it's more noticeable here but the DOF makes it look kind of right (road and sand part):
    http://www.evermotion.org/comm/HDMC3/hi-res/05.png

    Sesim nailed it!


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    Sand underneath the cars looks a bit fake because of the repeating pattern in my opinion. (Not that I could do any better).
    And where's the tracks that would have been created by getting the cars to that position?
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    I also thnik the ground and wall is modelled
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    Thanks for taking interest in the thread.You guys are amazing.So, my final conclusion is that.. ground is a simple plane with hi res texture of sand.The ground is reflecting HDRI or maybe he added some "Sun" source to simulate it.
    Rock part is 3d too.It rendered so well that it looks real.Last but not least ,the extreme background is HDRI.That's why it's looking blurred.


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    i think it's blured a bit in postwork, because the original hdri blurring looks bit differentClick here to enlarge

    agree about the rest, but i think the ground have some bump or displace map, not only texture
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